No. I will not watch this. My form of protest for distorting history. Do whatever you want with your "Movies". But when you label something as "Documentary" or "Docu-Drama", you don't have the right to distort history. |
Correct. Same position here. Greeting from Eastern Europe! |
Same dude. For those who have a brain and it's not damage just write on google Cleopatra of Macedon and read it. |
Agree, black actors playing those in history that are white, is becoming tiresome. Cleopatra, MacBeth, Anne Boleyn to name a few. |
Take a look at one of my downvoted posts below. Nobody knows what skin colour Cleopatra had. Best guess is "not African", but that's still a guess. Why are people getting so incensed about something nobody can really know? |
Because they finally have a chance to make up for the whitewashing of the past hundred years of cinematography and the past two thousand years of iconoclasm in the West. They don't give a hoot about historic accuracy. They're even willing to present historic falsehoods, as you see. |
I bought a Roomba today. I'm going to call it Cleanopatra. |
Yes, we do know Cleopatra was NOT black: https://www.arabnews.com/node/2290456 |
Brrzrrkrr, don’t be obtuse, that’s a news article that even web site disclaims in a standard manner ("Disclaimer: Views expressed by writers in this section are their own and do not necessarily reflect Arab News' point of view"). Try and find some actual evidence for your silliness. |
Netflix will be firing more acrivist employees before the year is over |
I thought cleopatra was greek, of the ptolemy line. fair skinned etc. Oh well, my bad. |
Being of GREEK DESCENT is not the same as being Greek. Her family had lived in Egypt for more than 300 years. The majority of Egyptians are moderately dark skinned, but there are some lighter skinned, and there are many who are dark enough to be termed "Black". Intermingling with Nubians will do that |
You're correct Leginds, no need for 'my bad', more like 'my good'. |
Of Macedonian descent. I don't know the entire lineage (three centuries) from Ptolemy I Soter (who was Macedonian) until Cleopatra, but I doubt every single one will have been Macedonian as well. It is more than likely that Egyptian and perhaps Nubian blood was mixed in all those generations. |
Ok lets start off with the fantasy that she was Macedonian, she was Greek. In response to the "person" hiding as Guest-4208, There is 1 problem with your theory that Cleopatra was a product of interbreeding. She Wasn't, The Ptolemaic family tree didn't fork to much, lots of inbreeding. |
I'd agree with most of that. I'd think it would be fair to say olive skinned. The Nubians weren't popular with their invasions as such it was highly unlikely the Ptolemaic Kings mixed with them. Cleopatra's statues definitively show more Greek features than African. |
What is "olive skinned"? Green, like an olive? Greenish gold like olive oil? Is that what bathing in donkey milk does to your skin? |
Yep, the statues show more Greek features than Egyptian, but that is because the statues are Greek made. The wall paintings on the other hand show a convincingly Egyptian woman, but that is because the paintings are Egyptian. Guess why the Europeans portrayed Jesus white… Anyone seeing a pattern here? |
Egyptian features in Egyptian art are virtually indistinguishable from Southern European features in Southern European art. I think the Egyptians knew what their own people looked like, n'est-ce pas? |
Cleo is now a black woman? She was Greek! Oh! The Producer is Jada Pinkett Smith. ~Kt3030 |
Jada Pinkett Smith is well known to be one of the biggest racist and race card player around. Look up what she said in the past about Blonde White Women. |
Being of GREEK DESCENT is not the same as being Greek. Her family had lived in Egypt for more than 300 years. The majority of Egyptians are moderately dark skinned, but there are some lighter skinned, and there are many who are dark enough to be termed "Black". Intermingling with Nubians will do that, you know |
For the benefit of the 'But Nubia is near Egypt' people. The Ptolemaic dynasty kept the blood line almost pure Macedonian/Greek to the extent of incest. Remember Cleopatra was also married to her brother. Depictions of Cleopatra do NOT show any signs of Nubian facial characteristics, so PLEASE stop with assumptions |
Please present the blood line of the Macedonians in Egypt. You seem to know who they slept with in those three hundred years. How many Macedonians do you think migrated to Egypt? Three hundred years of keeping the blood line pure Macedonian? Please stop pretending you're not assuming. |
Dear Rhubarb, might I ask for the blood line from Ptolemy to Cleopatra? How any Macedonians do you think migrated to Egypt? To keep a bloodline almost pure with so few Macedonians over three hundred years… Do you know what you're suggesting? |
OK for the benefit of 'where did the Macedonians fit in' doubters. Ptolemy didn't arrive on his own: he was one of Alexander's generals and he had a whole army with him - all Greek and Macedonian. There was no shortage of upper class females. There was also the Egyptian habit of incest - they kept the bloodline 'pure'. |
So these generals and troops did mingle with the locals? There goes your "pure" bloodline… |
director tina gharavi - "doing the research, i realized what a political act it would be to see cleopatra portrayed by a black actress" |
For the first time in history, Netflix will be sued for falsifying history. Because of the Greeks. I hope it's not the last time. They definitely overdid it this time. |
Polcy: Lawyer Mahmoud al-Semary "reportedly" filed against Netflix (Egypt Independent, April 18, 2023), to have them shut-down in Egypt. Checking the online legal databases in Egypt is not easy for me, but I can't locate the suit (doesn't mean it isn't there). I'll still bet you a 5er it fails though |
Netflix needs a serious lesson, just not watching NF is not enough cancel an start a campaign againt them to lose as many subscriberts as possible, this is the only real way to get the point across. |
Well, since there exist many depictions of Cleopatra from the time of her reign and since in none of those depictions does she resemble a Black person, one would necessarily have to conclude that she wasn't Black! Blackfacing fictional characters is one (ridiculous) thing but blackfacing actual persons from history??? (Is this revenge for Joseph Fiennes portrayal of Michael Jackson?) |
You know what's funny? None of those depictions look alike… Not in face, not in skin colour, nothing. |
https://chng.it/JhzbwFYTGF For those trying to get this atrocity removed from Netflix. Sign the petition: you can share, donate, or do nothing but sign. You can also sign anonymously if you wish. Cheers! |
An online petition that can be signed anonymously. Yeah, that one's going to be taken seriously… Don't be surprised when in the end that petition gets 23 billion signatures. |
" Fictionalized Netflix-story about Queen Cleopatra of Egypt of the Ptolemaic lineage " GENRE: DOCUMENTARY |
Absolutely TG... how can it legitimately be both? If it's supposed to be a documentary, then it should be based on evidence, if it's fictional, it can be anything it likes. There's a fundamental error in the classification. |
Misappropriation of national identity! No wonder the Egyptians are angry. It's one thing to put black people in fairy tales, they are make believe. I do not believe Cleo was White, but Taylor was one of the most beautiful women on earth. |
Taylor was cute as a teen but she was NEVER beautiful. |
Speaking of national identity … was Cleopatra Macedonian or Egyptian? Speaking of misappropriation … who is upset about who is 'inappropriately' using who? |
"Misappropriation of national identity!" Which one? Why are the Egyptians angry over the misrepresentation of a Macedonian woman, as she is claimed to be multiple times on here? Shouldn't then the Macedonians be angry? I for one am confused. |
playing, manipulating and forgery of history is nothing new. but in the last 10 years it became so weird like this TV show before it look at bad low budget racist movie The lady of heaven black men and women playing the roles on non black people add to that presented in a racist behavior. look at how the moorish or moor are presented in TV shows and movies made in the UK or the USA. yep black all black. actually if i was visiting from another planet i would believe from those TV shows and movies that Muslims are 90% black and 10% are Indians. i have no problem with someone color or believes but this needs to stop. and those pushing this need to respect the facts. if Cleopatra was green then a green woman should play her role if she was black than a black woman. but from what i have been seeing so far i want be shocked they make another season and this time a black transgender playing her. |
Cleopatra was a daughter of king Philip of Macedonia (359-336) and queen Olympias. Her older brother was prince Alexander, who would one day be called "the Great". No ethnic black Macedonians but never mind history be damned. |
Cleopatra was a direct descendant of Alexander's general, Ptolemy I Soter. A giveaway might have been their respective birth years: Alexander was born in 356 BC, Cleopatra in 69 BC. I very much doubt Alexander would be almost 300 years older as a brother of Cleopatra… |
Remarkable, that a blatant historic lie gets so many upvotes. It once more goes to show that these people don't give a damn about facts. |
Totally different Cleopatra, 1406. Even Wikipedia would have prevented this mistaken identity. |
You got Egypt mad about this series over the casting of Cleopatra. |
Perhaps one of the defining moments of Wokeism, proving their racist ideology is disconnected from reality. As usual, they attempt to rewrite history to advance their lunatic ideology in this show. Here's a link to an in depth break down of the historical revisionism and fictions that make up this Netflix's black washed garbage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj-iCoPQN78 |