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Thanks to all, Wishing " A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" Keep Safe and Well. Please remember who's birthday we are celebrating!!!! jrabtsr ❤️💕💕💕💕💕 |
FYI, actually: baby Tammuz was born on Dec. 25th, as all the rest of solar gods like Ra, Zeus, Jupiter, Mithra, Baal, etc. (mostly because then it was the winter solstice) Saturnalias came later and finally X-mass on top. Once Antioch Epiphanes profaned the altar in the jewish temple just because it was Zeus birthday. |
The winter solstice is either on the 21st or 22nd of December, never on the 25th. |
#1065 Oh it was the 25th in ancient times when those gods were relevant. Then the Vatican established the Gregorian calendar where it's always the 21st or 22nd. The solstice had drifted away so they had to skip 11 days to put it on the 21st (which they preferred, since the council of Nicea had its sol. on a 21st) |
Then show me the calendar that said winter solstice was on December 25th. There are calculators for all major calendars on the internet and the position of the earth relative to the sun hasn't changed, so it should be a piece of cake to show me what calendar said December 25th. |
winter solstice dates 50 years worth here .... https://equinoxworld.org/winter-solstice-dates/ |
@ Superbikemike Shouldn't the Earth be pointed straight up It lks like it is falling over in the picture Or is it just me Ah well, never mind |
Just like the summer solstice always falls between 20 and 22 June |
no clue i dont make the dates no interest being i was a farmer we go by the moon turns color time to plant turns again in nov time to pull em in. |
#9261 If the Earth were pointing straight up we wouldn't have seasons, it's tilted 23 degrees and that is actually a good thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgq0LThW7QA |
Of course the position of the Earth hasn't changed, but the calendars themselves did (and many times) I said 'ancient times', I said 'before the Gregorian Calendar' and you bring up results from 50 years ago? Just Google Saturnalias, Mithra, Gregorian calendar, etc. history.com/topics/ancient-rome/saturnalia |
Finally, back to Xmas: The most accurate date for the birthday of Jesus would be the 1st day of Sukkot. John the Bapt. was born 6 months before (on Passover) 9 months before Elizabeth got pregnant, just after Zechariah finished serving. The timing of his roster (order of Abijah) is the only date 'more or less' certain. |
But no answer, CaptDesko? A lot of quasi intelligent nonsense but when I ask on what calendar the winter solstice ever was on the 25th of December, you cannot give me an answer. |
Ouch, the Roman calendar was long banned by then. But indeed more of an answer than CaptDesko will ever give. Thanks. Btw, merry Christmas to you and your loved ones. |
Well, I gave this link already: https://www.history.com/topics/ancient-rome/saturnalia and also suggested you to Google, this comments are too short to elaborate a lot more. All I wanted to say is that Winter Solstice was the 25 and the birth of every pagan god, way before Jesus. |
You do realise that your link does not say that the winter solstice ever was on the 25th of December on any calendar, right? You are the one claiming that it was. I suggest you do the googling. And don't get me started on "every pagan god". Other than that: merry Christmas. |
Food for thought: if the solstice was on December 25 of some old calendar (supposing that calendar did have anything like December 25, which before the Julian one none did), why would they maintain that date when the solstice invariably was on the 21st or 22nd? |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar In ancient times was the 25th. Then Julian calendar was introduced, but it drifted, by Council of Nicaea AD 325 had regressed to the 21th, then, 20, 19, etc. By 1582 they fixed the drift and skipped 11 days to put Sol back to 21th (as in Nicaea, not as in antiquity) |
jesus was born sometime in the late spring till early October .... no one knows the date no one ever will .... your point no ones talking about when he was born other then you,, were talking about a date on a calendar |
1) Romulus (or someone like him) introduced a calendar which had a month called "December" by 700 B.C. !!! 2) Yes, Nicaea worried about March Equinox, guess what, if you mess the Equinox day the Solstice goes together. 3) What would I know? I'm just a quasi intelligent monkey who cannot give answers. Merry Christmas |
Superbikemike: You are 100% correct, Jesus was born between September and October (It's not a fixed date in our Gregorian calendar, but in the Hebrew is Tishrey 15th: the feast of Tabernacles) Look up, "jrabtsr" said: Please remember who's birthday we are celebrating!!!! (Jesus) I'm only replying: Also Mithra, Ra, etc |
some how it went from winter solstice shortest day of the year on a calendar to jesus being born bit off base ... |
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