The 'Dark Arts' of Artificial Intelligence.

Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-08-27 11:54:19(13Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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For all of your thoughts on AI, like or loathe it is our present and future.
Any members tried to create their own movies with AI software apart from our uploaders/encoders?
What do you think, do you like the look of AI?
Just wading through all of the replies :_;)..
I can tell you what i use AI software for anyway, all of my favourite movies and series i already have in 2160p Remux or 4K UHD and they are what i watch mostly and that will never change, probably 98% of them have been uploaded on TGX over the years and pretty much the same uploaders.
I bought some software to remove unwanted Audio and subtitles and it also had 3 AI settings, so i hunted down as many of my favourites in open matte/full screen version all at 1080p, now i am enhancing/upscaling them to the standard of the other movies.
I do not think AI (at this moment in time) will replace my 'natural' 4K UHD movies but is an added bonus if i want to watch something a little different on occasion, a bit warmer, sumptuous and good clarity if you get it right.
Is it fiddly and frustrating?, straight answer is yes it is (especially the first week) but as you get to know your software and it's limitations it does get easier and i enjoy creating my own stuff :_B) :_pirate

 
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Ange1:_moderator::_female:Posted at 2024-08-28 07:10:17(13Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Pete6617 wrote:

Pete6617 wrote:

For all of your thoughts on AI, like or loathe it is our present and future.
Any members tried to create their own movies with AI software apart from our uploaders/encoders?
What do you think, do you like the look of AI?
Just wading through all of the replies :_;)..
I can tell you what i use AI software for anyway, all of my favourite movies and series i already have in 2160p Remux or 4K UHD and they are what i watch mostly and that will never change, probably 98% of them have been uploaded on TGX over the years and pretty much the same uploaders.
I bought some software to remove unwanted Audio and subtitles and it also had 3 AI settings, so i hunted down as many of my favourites in open matte/full screen version all at 1080p, now i am enhancing/upscaling them to the standard of the other movies.
I do not think AI (at this moment in time) will replace my 'natural' 4K UHD movies but is an added bonus if i want to watch something a little different on occasion, a bit warmer, sumptuous and good clarity if you get it right.
Is it fiddly and frustrating?, straight answer is yes it is (especially the first week) but as you get to know your software and it's limitations it does get easier and i enjoy creating my own stuff :_B) :_pirate
ooh well done using the software :) aww i have never used Ai software before but it sounds pretty cool :) :_love:_love:_love

 
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Tyser11:_trusted_user::_sitefriend::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_sun::_turtle:Posted at 2024-08-28 08:34:39(13Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Give it a few years they will make built in ultra AI steaming devices with top tier AI upscale TV's that will be like 24k viewing or something. Where you can chuck a 720p or a 1080p through them both together and it comes out at like 16x better and call it "The A.I XXIV phantom-dot wizard QUAD4K" 😂

(Any manufactures that may see this and think "that's a good name..." copyright letters will be issued, if this name is used or replicated. Time and date of the name creation is time stamped on this post). You will be sued!

😂😂😂🤷🏼‍♂️ You never know these days hahahaha.

 
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-08-29 12:42:28(12Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Tyser11 wrote:

Give it a few years they will make built in ultra AI steaming devices with top tier AI upscale TV's that will be like 24k viewing or something. Where you can chuck a 720p or a 1080p through them both together and it comes out at like 16x better and call it "The A.I XXIV phantom-dot wizard QUAD4K" 😂

(Any manufactures that may see this and think "that's a good name..." copyright letters will be issued, if this name is used or replicated. Time and date of the name creation is time stamped on this post). You will be sued!

😂😂😂🤷🏼‍♂️ You never know these days hahahaha.
One thing becomes apparent pretty quickly though Tyser is that you are heavily reliant on your source material to work with, i have a few movies that simply nothing worked at all whatever you tried, just a blurred mess.
AI needs something of substance to work off in the first place judging on my first few weeks trying things out :_B) :_pirate

 
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-05 14:50:28(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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I have the latest version of Topaz Video AI software running now, huge upgrade in quality exports though a degree slower.
The best software takes time, no shortcuts or sneaky tricks, just let it run and do it's job and it is incredible  :_B) :_pirate

 
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Foxbase:_trusted_user::_sitefriend::_male::_sitelover::_junkie::_kitty:Posted at 2024-09-07 18:23:38(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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No...

Often there is a hyper-real look to AI processed vids that, to me, is unwatchable...

...many shows/movies look pretty bad when processed...

...some work...many don't.

 
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-07 19:07:26(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Foxbase wrote:

No...

Often there is a hyper-real look to AI processed vids that, to me, is unwatchable...

...many shows/movies look pretty bad when processed...

...some work...many don't.
I think that depends if you over do it foxbase, a simple upscale from 1080p to 4k looks brilliant, no need to turn it into a Wax museum.
I have just done the first Matrix movie and you can see every skin pore on Lawrence Fishburne's face, it is seriously good.
I think messing around with a 4k movie is pointless, you just end up fiddling for days it does not look right, from 1080p to 4K it works brilliantly and i do not touch frame rates, i tried going from 24fps to 30 and didn't like it at all so i do not bother with frames.

 
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aviana:_trusted_user::_sitefriend::_female::_sitelover::_junkie::_kitty::_sun::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-07 19:09:49(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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I have to own up to not knowing anything about this AI software  but i made this  image using Creator.nightcafe.studio
I think its pretty cool :_B)
You can sign up with your google account free:_pirate
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-07 19:20:07(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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aviana wrote:

I have to own up to not knowing anything about this AI software  but i made this  image using Creator.nightcafe.studio
I think its pretty cool :_B)
You can sign up with your google account free:_pirate
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Aviana it is perfect for what you do, the cheaper software is faster, the more expensive is much slower and everyone wants perfection in 45 minutes, well that is not happening as the software is making pixel and frame calculations as it is running, there is not the time to make a good job.
A 3 hour movie on Topaz takes me 12 hours for an Upscale to 4K, a simple render with no additions and i have a very strong Nvidia GPU, that is how long it takes for a floorless job, it's worth the wait honestly.
If you are encoding and uploading then time is your enemy and the black bars appear to save processing time and short cuts are used hence the artifacts.

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aviana:_trusted_user::_sitefriend::_female::_sitelover::_junkie::_kitty::_sun::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-07 19:26:26(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Pete6617 wrote:

aviana wrote:

I have to own up to not knowing anything about this AI software  but i made this  image using Creator.nightcafe.studio
I think its pretty cool :_B)
You can sign up with your google account free:_pirate
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Aviana it is perfect for what you do, the cheaper software is faster, the more expensive is much slower and everyone wants perfection in 45 minutes, well that is not happening as the software is making pixel and frame calculations as it is running, there is not the time to make a good job.
A 3 hour movie on Topaz takes me 12 hours, a simple render with no additions and i have a very strong Nvidia GPU, that is how long it takes for a floorless job, it's worth the wait honestly.
If you are encoding and uploading then time is your enemy and the black bars appear to save processing time and short cuts are used hence the artifacts.
Thanks for explaining pete  i have to be honest & say i just wouldnt have the patience or the tech knowledge to do that :_facepalm

 
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Chocolatechip19:_trusted_user::_male:Posted at 2024-09-07 21:30:21(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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--Someone created this Tv series with A.I. so yeah it pretty much comes down to how good the writer is when it comes down to Tv,movies...etc.

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panosol:_trusted_user::_sitefriend::_male::_sitelover::_junkie::_kitty::_sun::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-07 22:38:25(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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aviana wrote:

I have to own up to not knowing anything about this AI software  but i made this  image using Creator.nightcafe.studio
I think its pretty cool :_B)
You can sign up with your google account free:_pirate
i created a cute alien eating banana on moon... instead of humans on earth 💖😘👍🤣🤣🍌👽
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-07 23:15:39(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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panosol wrote:

aviana wrote:

I have to own up to not knowing anything about this AI software  but i made this  image using Creator.nightcafe.studio
I think its pretty cool :_B)
You can sign up with your google account free:_pirate
i created a cute alien eating banana on moon... instead of humans on earth 💖😘👍🤣🤣🍌👽
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My first AI attempt at 'Band of Brothers' looks like that panasol  :_:? :_:-)

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aviana:_trusted_user::_sitefriend::_female::_sitelover::_junkie::_kitty::_sun::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-08 00:13:58(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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panosol wrote:

aviana wrote:

I have to own up to not knowing anything about this AI software  but i made this  image using Creator.nightcafe.studio
I think its pretty cool :_B)
You can sign up with your google account free:_pirate
i created a cute alien eating banana on moon... instead of humans on earth 💖😘👍🤣🤣🍌👽
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WOW that looks so cool Pan love it :_love:_love

 
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-08 13:30:27(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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A few words for TGX and our uploaders as that is where my inspiration was borne to investigate AI  and create my own favourites at home.
From what i can tell there are three main AI uploaders on TGX and they are all different, one concentrates mainly on older movies and cleaning them up and he must use many passes so he deserves a medal for detail and persistence (and they are very good)
Another throws a bit more at them and increases frame rates and that is not easy as a lot can go wrong right there, very creative and brave i think as many are too willing to criticize before trying it for themselves, anyone can criticize but how many actually produce anything?
The final one sits between the other two in scale and concentrates on enhancing so we have it all covered on here tbh and i think we are lucky to have them.
The main topic of disagreement appears to be about grain, i mean grain is added to movies purposefully and when i walk down the High street i am yet to see someone with a grainy face, my personal taste is a hint of both which is what i aim for and starting from 1080p upscaling to 4K gets it very close with Topaz.
If it was not for those three uploaders i would never have bought my own software so a big thanks to them for giving me the inspiration to pursue a new hobby, i will never upload myself it is purely a home project that i have wanted to do for a while.
So thank you and to all you TGX staff and members, happy pirating :_B) :_pirate

 
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Ange1:_moderator::_female:Posted at 2024-09-09 07:33:56(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Pete6617 wrote:

A few words for TGX and our uploaders as that is where my inspiration was borne to investigate AI  and create my own favourites at home.
From what i can tell there are three main AI uploaders on TGX and they are all different, one concentrates mainly on older movies and cleaning them up and he must use many passes so he deserves a medal for detail and persistence (and they are very good)
Another throws a bit more at them and increases frame rates and that is not easy as a lot can go wrong right there, very creative and brave i think as many are too willing to criticize before trying it for themselves, anyone can criticize but how many actually produce anything?
The final one sits between the other two in scale and concentrates on enhancing so we have it all covered on here tbh and i think we are lucky to have them.
The main topic of disagreement appears to be about grain, i mean grain is added to movies purposefully and when i walk down the High street i am yet to see someone with a grainy face, my personal taste is a hint of both which is what i aim for and starting from 1080p upscaling to 4K gets it very close with Topaz.
If it was not for those three uploaders i would never have bought my own software so a big thanks to them for giving me the inspiration to pursue a new hobby, i will never upload myself it is purely a home project that i have wanted to do for a while.
So thank you and to all you TGX staff and members, happy pirating :_B) :_pirate
Your doing amazing sweetie and thank you for your lovely kind words :_:) so very thoughtful posting regarding the 3 uploaders, staff and members :)
It truly is so lovely that they gave  you inspiration to pursue a new hobby :) :_love

 
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-09 15:03:12(11Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Hit my first real snag yesterday and no doubt there will be more in store as i get more adventurous with the software.
I am using myself as a testing guinea pig for any of you who fancies a go at this and hopefully it saves you some money if you do this AI Video editing.
After 8 hours processing 'Platoon' just approaching Export time and it crashed (lost the lot), this is very common apparently so after some research and reading it does seem i did not have enough RAM available, or not enough room left to put it another way, i am running 32gb RAM and had put a few movies in store on the laptop and bang it crashed.
I was told 16gb RAM and 8gb GPU card would be sufficient to run Topaz and from my brief exploits so far that may work but at a glacially slow pace and would be unstable and prone to crashing, i am running 32gb RAM and 12gb Nvidia GPU and when i used up some space in the laptop it crashed, once i emptied it out it was perfect again.
Just be warned that this Topaz software is very good, but very hungry also, there is a memory button you can adjust, 10% means slow processing but stable, 90% means faster speed but a little unstable or you need to be running on empty the whole time for it to work.
Maybe 64gb RAM and 16gb GPU is the ideal set up for this and that costs a few pennies :_pirate

 
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-12 14:00:33(10Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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An interesting day at the races yesterday, i sent my support logs and system review to Topaz for them to look over and detected a couple of codec and file issues although i found an even bigger one yesterday myself which looks like why so many people are having multiple issues.
I will double and triple check it all again today then let you know, i have it working 100% spot on the money now, so far... :_pirate

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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-21 11:53:54(9Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Well, i always intended to throw the kitchen sink at my 10 favourite movies with this software and 'No Country For Old Men' open matte is now completed.
Began with a standard 1080p copy.
Video Converter : Removed unwanted Audio Tracks and Subs
Topaz Video AI : Full upscale to 4K
Topaz Video AI : Enhancement  Denoise/Sharpen
Container/File MP4 50Gb
Time taken roughly 25 hours.
With 'Recover Detail' set nicely you cannot tell it has been processed with AI, just looks sumptuous with razor sharp clarity, all the skin pores on a facial portrait are retained, it looks like nirvana honestly, worth every $£$£$£ spent.
The Interface on this software remains open the whole time and you need to be extremely careful with files and containers or it will not export and begin crashing, i flush it out every weekend with an uninstall and reinstall to keep things from clogging up, you need a lot of patience with this (be warned)
Mission accomplished :_pirate

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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-09-26 13:21:45(8Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Boy am i having fun with this software, the video converter i purchased was $40 and does a good job but the enhancement processing leaves a bit to be desired and you get what you pay for as with anything, the thing is bullet proof though and very easy to use.
This higher end software does an amazing job but it is not self cleansing, an error remains an error with this and snowballs.
The software is scrubbing the subtitles during enhancement so after contacting Kyle in Dallas, it appears MKV is the only container that will keep the subtitles intact (in a fashion), so i decided to have another crack at 'The Bourne Identity' which is in the form of a Russian Open Matte at 1080p with dodgy audio and subs, 4 goes and 32 hours later... hahaha still no good, then i came up with a solution and it was working 7. 45 hours into an 8 hour process, Topaz then sent a patch and an update and the laptop crashed hahaha... 5 goes later 'bingo'.
I have seen the movie 5 times over and over processing it so now i have it on the hard drive i am sick to death of the Movie now :_facepalm :_:-)
One day i might finish my movies and there is also a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow i have been informed... :_B) :_pirate

 
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Pete6617:_trusted_user::_male::_junkie::_kitty::_turtle:Posted at 2024-10-25 13:45:19(4Wks ago) Report Permalink URL 
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Topaz Video AI

Been a while since i purchased the software now and gradually piecing the jigsaw together and just an update for what i am finding with this software.
Anybody thinking of giving the Topaz Ai a try here are a few of my own thoughts on what i am seeing and have read about it, the end product you get after processing is quite superb, beyond all of your hopes and i think that is the general feeling that Topaz is the best out there.
There are issues though and the main one in AI conversions is quality vs time in selecting which brand you want to use, converting No Country For Old Men (2 hour movie) for instance with Topaz takes..
4K Upscale: 8 hours
Denoise/Sharpen enhancement: 15 hours
24- 50 Fps increase will take 40 hours
That is to do it properly with the correct AI models and there are no shortcuts with using 'faster/lighter' models, the only way you will speed the process up is by upgrading your hardware, Topaz is a very intense program that leaves no stone unturned and that takes time, no avoiding that or you will get artifacts occurring.
I increased from 24-48 Fps with VideoProc and it took 6 hours to process but it shows as well, a black outline around shapes, waxy look to humans, blurring with motion, so there is your choice, quality takes time or speed it up and live with the glitches.
Topaz does have issues with it's MKV container which is very frustrating and they have known for some time it is not useable, MP4 now for me.
That's it really 'Quality vs Time' and which do you prefer? :_B) :_pirate

Edit: I do think that a Desktop PC would be ideal for this as the cooling system is far better than a laptop, it is critical that vents are clear for enough air to pass through or overheating will become an issue and processing times will suffer, cooling system needs to be working at an optimum.

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