realityshow    Posted at 2021-12-20 19:30:25(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| press release https://www.amd.com/en/press-releases/2021-09-29-amd-announces-ambitious-goal-to-increase-energy-efficiency-processors It`s not a secret that Desktop computers are power hungry monsters. My current PC is probably about 12 years old, was top of the range and still even today does very well in power efficiency compared to other newer power hungry rigs. I was expecting Alder Lake to be power efficient but looks to use double the power under-load. Looking at Ryzen they seem to be far more efficient and was looking to upgrade soon to one of those fancy 16 core 5950x`s. I think i may have hold off a couple more years not only just because of CPU power efficiency, but i think GPU power efficiency does not exist anymore in regards to desktop PC`s. My GTX 1050ti only uses 75 watts which is amazing as i can run most games on it just fine, but is from 2016, but now it seems as though graphics card manufacturers dont care anymore to make power efficient GPU`s with most drawing over 400+watts. Are they not capable of making low power GPU`s in 2021/2022. Not only that but graphics card are going for crazy money right now due to a seemingly worldwide shortage. The graphics card scandal has low end cards fetching high end prices. It`s not so much i want to save the planet, i`d prefer to curb my energy bill. My PC runs almost 24/7. if i was to upgrade to a new pc and GPU; the electricty bill would quadruple which is insane. I applaud AMD if they can pull this off..i hope GPU too but seems it not possible? Love to hear your thoughts on Low Energy Consumption (affordable) Gaming or is that a contradiction. haha  | |
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| RedBaron58Posted at 2021-12-20 20:43:44(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| There is one component that you left out here, the humble power supply. Buying a cheap PSU will not do you any favours in the long run, apart from being more likely to fail prematurely they will add to your electric bill. Here is the 80+ categories  Even staying with your present rig a better PSU could save you 2 $ or euro a month. | |
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| MadWatchdogPosted at 2021-12-21 05:06:30(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| According to Arm, performance per watt is "a new paradigm" that will take over, as more modern designs are considering computational efficiency as one of the primary factors for further improvement. As designs get bigger and more complex, they can get highly inefficient. To get better designs, engineers must target a certain performance point, while using as little power as possible. | |
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| realityshowPosted at 2021-12-21 06:17:37(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| Yes, good point. I used to have a 600w Seasonic 80+ Gold, sadly that PSU stopped working after 9 years of service. I was surprised as Seasonic is supposed to be a top make. Darn reading just now Seasonic have a 5-12 year replacement guarantee (depending on which model), shame i threw out that seasonic 3 years ago, had the box and everything  Yes this is the issue, just like it is with Intel VS AMD at the moment seems Intel kinda cheated by doubling the power consumption just to beat AMD Ryzen in CPU processing. It is kind of annoying as Alder Lake is supposed to be a hybrid of golden cove and more importantly Gracemont. Gracemont used only 6-10watts for those processors so was excited by Alder Lake only to be let down. Even when idling Something of interest just read that DDR5 memory: Twice as fast as DDR4, with a 13% energy saving Also according to Samsung their GDDR6 packs in 16Gb graphics DRAM, consuming up to 60 percent less power compared to the 8Gb solution with the same density configuration i`m sure these memory energy saving are very minuscule but it all adds up. I feel that a desktop PC when idling should use 6-10 watts in total, considering that it is doing very little. | |
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| SuperbikemikePosted at 2021-12-21 11:44:08(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| intel kinda cheated by doubling the power consumption just to beat AMD Ryzen in CPU processing. this is where i see the problem, there is no way of boosting performance without a boost on power it has always been thus. im sure they will come up with one that saves massive consumption but its going to cost us a lot in the way of performance, and they will play it off as better and faster by twisting things in there rigs, directing more thru bigger ram cards and vid cards .. bottom line youll end up saving but loosing the ability to run say 2 handbreaks at once .... just remember its to save the environment. im sure you'll be hearing a lot of that bullsht down the road just like with cars if you remember ....  Last edited by Superbikemike on 2021-12-21 11:46:04 | |
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| realityshowPosted at 2021-12-21 13:13:28(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| Yeh performance is key when it comes to CPU video encoding we need more power or better designs to give maximum performance -Better bang for our buck. I was trying to find some benchmark results for Handbrake running Alder Lake vs 5950x.  At full load the AMD 5950x CPU will draw 130w according this website https://www.cpuagent.com/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-5950x/benchmarks/power-package--full-load/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080?res=1&quality=ultra At full load Intels`Alder Lake will ramp up to 250w according to https://wccftech.com/alleged-intel-alder-lake-s-desktop-cpu-runs-hot-93c-power-consumption-over-250w/ 120watts more power to get 2 - 8 frames per second faster encodes, lets say a 90 minute movie encode saves 8 extra frames per second, it really adds up in minutes saved. Personally if i`m paying for double the power then i expect better over a 50 % perfomance improvement however if u have alot of videos to encode then maybe it is worth it ? what do you all think? Last edited by realityshow on 2021-12-21 13:22:40 | |
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| Deep61Posted at 2021-12-21 13:20:53(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| I resist the urge to keep trying to improve and make my "rig" faster anymore. will stick with what I have for a few more years:- Corsair Crystal Series 680X RGB High Airflow Tempered Glass ATX Smart Gaming Case - Black Corsair CP-9020070-UK Professional Platinum Series 1200 W ATX/EPS Fully Modular Power Supply Unit MSI X399 SLI Plus X399/DDR4/S-ATA 600/ATX Motherboard - Black 2x Corsair CSSD-F480GBMP510 Force Series MP510 480 GB NVMe PCIe Gen3 x 4 M.2 Solid State Drive Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 64 GB (4 x 16 Gb) DDR4 2666 MHz C16 XMP 2.0 Enthusiast RGB LED Illuminated Memory Kit - Black AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2920X Processor - (12 Core/24 Threads) - YD292XA8AFWOF Corsair Hydro 115i RGB Platinum, Hydro Series, 280 mm Radiator (Dual LL120 RGB PWM Fans, Advanced RGB Lighting and Fan Control with Software) Liquid CPU Cooler - Black Corsair CH-9110014-UK K65 Rapidfire Cherry MX Speed Performance Multi-Colour RGB Backlit 10 Keyless Mechanical Gaming Keyboard - Black Corsair CL-8930002 RGB LED Lighting PRO Expansion Kit - Black Corsair MM800 RGB Polaris Hard Surface Mousepad (15 Zone RGB Lighting, Low Friction Micro-Textured Surface, Built-In USB Pass-through Port, 400 x 340 x 35 mm) - Black Corsair Harpoon Wireless RGB Wireless Rechargeable Optical Gaming Mouse with Slipstream Technology (10000 DPI Optical Sensor, Backlit RGB Multicolour Lighting) - Black Corsair Commander PRO Digital Fan and RGB Lighting Controller - Black Corsair Crystal Series 680X RGB High Airflow Tempered Glass ATX Smart Gaming Case - Black MSI NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2060 VENTUS 6G OC Graphics Card '6GB GDDR6, 1710MHz, 3x DisplayPort, HDMI Corsair ST100 RGB Premium Headset Stand Corsair Virtuoso RGB Wireless High-Fidelity Gaming Headset 2 xWD Blue 3D NAND Internal SSD 2.5 Inch SATA - 2 TB drives Corsair iCUE LS100 Smart Lighting Strip Starter Kit | |
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| realityshowPosted at 2021-12-21 13:25:29(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| Threadripper has to be the king for encoding! Nice! | |
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| Deep61Posted at 2021-12-21 13:29:04(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| Thats why I got it as I encode 5 nights a week and it never lets me down I never overclock and clean me fans weekly | |
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| SuperbikemikePosted at 2021-12-21 13:31:26(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| yeah only improvement there would be 128gigs,"more when available" ddr4 .... thats about on top of the heap as is and with energy savers it will remain on top ....  | |
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| realityshowPosted at 2021-12-21 13:40:26(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| In terms of encoding it much more efficent according to some websites your threadripper only uses 179.11watts under full load encoding a1080p 60fps at about 206 frames per second. Of Course theres the price... but we wont mention that  | |
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| SuperbikemikePosted at 2021-12-21 13:47:47(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| figured out id look deeper lol into this ... I9-12900k that ones gonna be a problem child was reading .. good for performance, real crappy for gaming, if it does not have the ability to do both and distribute it out properly theres a hidden issue there its going to cause problems  | |
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| realityshowPosted at 2021-12-21 14:05:43(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| Apparently alot of games wont work on it, cause DRM thinks it 2 different computers, maybe it been fixed but i`d be upset if i couldnt play my fav game lol The more i think about threadripper ...its a very good example for efficientCPU encoding, i know it costs and arm and a leg but it goes to show that high performance does exist and can be done with less electricity. IF you can double your encode frame rate or in terms of the newer threadrippers even almost tripple the frames per second in times saved in encodes then it worth every penny. | |
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| SuperbikemikePosted at 2021-12-21 14:08:45(152Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| wouldnt go with anything else but a amd at this point ...  | |
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| realityshowPosted at 2022-03-05 15:30:24(141Wks ago) Report Permalink URL | ||
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| Launching soon are AMD’s new Ryzen 6000 H-series 8 core processors in laptops with intergrated Radeon RX 6850M XT graphics draws under 35-45 watts which is pretty amazing for gaming laptops. I cant remember the other article i read but said in idle mode the graphics card draws 0 watts. Not sure how well the cooling will be depends on the various Laptop manuacturers. *edit, sorry i may have been looking at the watts of the processor being 35-40watts, i copied and pasted (below) from ultrabookreview dot com about the GPU power draws Radeon RX 6850M XT – designed for 1440p+ gaming, with a design power of 130-165 W, meant for full-size performance notebooks; Radeon RX 6800M – designed for 1440p gaming, with a design power of 145+ W, meant for full-size performance notebooks; Radeon RX 6800S – designed for 1080p gaming in ultraportable performance notebooks, with a design power of up to 105W; Radeon RX 6700M – designed for 1440p and 1080 gaming, with a design power of up to 135W, a more affordable mid-range chip; Radeon RX 6700S – designed for 1080p gaming in ultraportable performance notebooks, with a design power of up to 105W; Radeon RX 6600M – designed for 1080p gaming, with a design power of up to 100W and meant for ultraportable designs. Last edited by realityshow on 2022-03-06 04:51:15 | |
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