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The irony is not lost on me how I'm pirating a documentary about pirating... yarrrrr |
I've been a Radio/Mobile DJ in the Detroit area since 1986. I used to carry crates of vinyl to my gigs and it was a pain in the pooper. Then CD's came out and I figured I'd invest in making my collection of albums smaller by buying the CD's. One night while DJing an outdoor BBQ, a lady asked me what I charged for a private party. I gave her the price and she said it was a surprise 40th Birthday party for her husband. She made only ONE specific request: Could I please play The Beatles "Birthday". Sure, I said. I didn't have the song in my collection so I ran to the local music store to buy it. The song is on the Beatles White Album which was $29.99 for the CD. I left and went to another music store.....$29.99. I was ANGRY! I paid the money, and vowed that somehow I'd get that money back that the music company had ripped off from me. It was a 30 year old song for $30. That's when Napster hit, and I cared NOT ONE IOTA for the whiners like Metallica who came after College kids for "stealing their music". This band made $250 million on JUST THEIR RECENT TOUR, and they're going after their customers?! How much money is enough! I vowed to never play or own ANY Metallica songs, and downloaded like a fiend, and STILL DO. Screw the music industry. It isn't about music anymore. It's about the almighty dollar of which I save so much by downloading for free. I call it Karma... |
The documentary is based on How Music Got Free: The End of an Industry, The Turn of the Century, and the Patient Zero of Piracy by Stephen Witt. A number of reviews question the inaccuracies in the book, one moans that it is "Not a business book, more like a drama", another "a miss in terms of what really mattered" - here I agree. There is focus on "The Scene" but "The Scene" was about sharing things 2-3 weeks prerelease, marketing companies at that time intentionally shared on file-networks to promote albums. The documentary can be seen as a better 'watch' than the book is as a 'read'. For me, all the focus talk on 'rappers' belies the point that so much shared at that time was so much more than 'rap'. I'd never heard of 'rap' but everything I had on vinyl from throughout the '70s, all 10,000 albums, was suddenly available as mp3 - and for that I am so grateful coz the wife had thrown out all my albums down the rubbish chute in Hong Kong in 1998 whilst I was away 'celebrating my birthday' So, back to the documentary. It's an interesting watch even though all the rappers got on my nerves most of the time. Most all artists of that time were financially impacted and of course it was the music companies failing to come to terms with maximising the changes in technology to financial benefit the artists that was the problem - for the music companies, all they were out to do was protect their overly priced CDs. |
Corporate greed was responsible for its downfall. Anyone remember Elvis Prestley, I forget the exact numbers, but he was left with something like 10 cents on the dollar as everyone took a bite out of his a$$. All is not lost, Taylor Swift is now a billionaire, Rihanna net worth 1.8 billion..etc, etc, etc |
I have about 4,600 albums in FLAC files on a 4TB SSD drive. All pirated. Yarrrrrr. |
In my file share collection for many years I had small film called Red Hot. Nobody ever paid any attention to the film. But the great scene and message in the film was how Russian kids took early rock an roll records and transcribed them on to-- wait for it... X-ray film using a Victrola. That's how I remember the scene anyway. It was the beginning of bootlegs. |
This sounds really interesting. I spent ALOT of money on albums, tapes, and CDs. The albums got scratched and thrown out. The tapes got eaten and stretched. Most of the CDs I still have. I downloaded MP3s, then eventually got all FLAC files. Its just became a different different industry and world out there. I am glad I was able to replace some of my purchased music for free. Look how technology has changed how we view listen to media from streaming and downloads. Once the cat is out of the bag, there is no going back. Does anyone want to go back to taking pictures and have the film developed??? Does anyone want to give up their smart phones and go back to landlines??? Does anyone want to go back to renting VHS movies??? Anyways this series sounds great, I cant wait to watch it. THANKS!! |
YES i think thats the biggest point. the Any warez scene made the industry improve itself, always for better. Internet changed several business and music was just to stuborn to change itself. needed outsidera to break the cycle. RIAA should indeed thank the mp3 scene to spread music across the globe instantly, for free |
After watching this makes me glad MP3 groups shook the industry up, and btw, a FU to Eminem and the other rich-ass rappers who only really see dollars as their true motivation to make music... are you truly artists??? or just profiteers like the labels. the rippers, couriers, siteops, no one in the scene did anything for profit, only to Spread The Love to the entire world. -rns- |
As Eminem pointed out (aside, did you notice the size of his PUPILS, lol), he doesn't make stuff on Audacity in his garage. A best PIC was a sound engineer as his career, and good. He worked with Bob Rock on Shania Twain & AC/DC albums. He had a big pay-cut, and eventually he couldn't even get work with cost-cuts... |
The book they made this series after is awesome, every torrent-partaker should read it, and now we have a streaming series for those who missed the book! Thanks hayzee56, what a fine release! |
Thank you. I watched this last night and found it very interesting. |
you have no idea. going to !dupecheck channel on irc was golden. long live the scene. this doc with the interviews of real scene leaders back then is the most complete approach of any warez scene ever possible created. ps. would be very very nice to see the same towards movie scene from dvd/divx to bluray up to 4k rele |
best doc every about any warez scene, it explained literally everything about the mp3 scene, from rippers to topsites. I missed KSI, Omni, Wax, CHR and SOM. never worked for the most famous ones, but at that time it was really a big thing the competition between apc-ego-rns but very USA centered. there were tons of europeans and some brazilian groups like 100real and LBvidz. it was a golden time to music and media industry, not only music but also movies, with the spread of divx an ps games mostly. the rest of the topsites were just a bonus with warez clips and porn files. but what really mopved the scene was (and still is) music and movies/series (like this site). if you understand the industry it is kind funny to see the music solved its part (spreading very cheap almost free music) through spotify and such but charging a kidney on the concerts to compensate; but yet cinema is dying, streaming services are struggling and the studios does not united themselves to offer a consolidated client oriented streaming service ("spotify movies") that would consolidate all tv series and movies and solve the piracy issue. the studios know how to solve the problem (unite themselves providing a consolidated service at a fair price) but prefer to lose money then solving it. thats why there are so much strong sites like this one. |
I collected over 17,000 songs from Usenet back it the day, all on either a 14.4k or 28.8k modem. I betcha more than a few people remember pre-Napster time as when they got the bulk of their collection, all in their single-song 128k glory, lol. On the series, wow! I'm pretty fussy, having been spoiled by Jarecki or Gibney docs that take things a level past. And even for an early enthusiast I was skeptical that this topic could carry a whole series, but did it ever. Music is a mess. Spotify adds another 17,000 artists every single day. "Music" has become way too easy to make and while demands in $$$ terms has dropped there's a huge supply saturation making it all but impossible for even truly bands to get noticed. E.g. My band had a minor hit I guess you could call it, 3+ million unique views on Spotify. Our total final pay out? Just over 6 thousand dollars. Sure, if you play for applause that's all you're ever going to hear, but with no financial incentive, and some can't tour perpetually, who has the time when you have to live an ordinary life at the same time? If you want a quality product with musicianship that takes a lot of time still and nothing AI can fake yet. That's just meant as context to the wider question the series asks? I wouldn't usually find myself siding with ultra rich music stars, but quality of music I'm afraid is another casualty with free music a big facet of it. |
audiogalaxy site / app was also sweet, much more selected and scene based sources. thats were i learned about irc from the mp3 info. |
It's interesting to me that most of us who are involved in, and are knowledgable of, the scene, are old mf'ers and have been around for a long time messing with torrents and pirating music and movies. Interesting |
Another irony is, that Sony corp owned(s) the copyright of an enormous number of song titles; yet, Sony, along with Philips, were the pioneering creators of the writable/re-writable CD/DVD. Just another case of Frankenstein's Monster; creating something that it could not control in the pursuit of excellence. |